last saturday evening (25th july), 8.44-8.48pm, on bbc radio 4
shhh (about silence, presented by lucy powell) (in the archive on 4 series) includes …
(if you missed it, available from 0:42:15 to 0:46:00 at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06386cs#playt=0h42m17s or at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qnbd/episodes/downloads)
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